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Poster: robclarke Date: Oct 20, 2003 3:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

As a taper I think that offering MP3s is a BAD idea.

And if you really think it is a good idea, maybe I will start make two recording of each show, one with my Neumann KM184 that I will keep for myself, and another with the cheepest Radio shack microphones I can find recorded on a Mini Disc in extended play mode that I will upload in MP3, for the people that didn't give a shit about quality.

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Poster: Cabbage Date: Oct 20, 2003 11:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

Some of you guys are making yourselves look SOOoo asinine.

Not once did the admins say this would no longer be lossless archive. It always will be. It's just in addition there would be mp3's for those who chose to download them. You wouldn't change anything that you've been doing. You wouldn't need to encode mp3's an upload them. It would all be automated on the server side. You would never be able to add an mp3 sourced show to the archive. It has to start at lossless.

The end users are still making mp3's of your shows and they are not "polluting the trading community". What [bs] is that? Mp3 are not accepted in the trading community. So how can it be polluted when no one is accepting them? That just makes no sense. The mp3's will just end up on Kazaa anyway - if they download flac and convert or if the download the mp3's they will still be there. How many people do you know in the trading community that when they want a nice new live show they fire up Kazaa and start searching for that pristine quality show - none, yah thats what i thought.

Mp3's are for the people on modems, the people who don't care about yet another audio format, the people who want to check out a band they never heard of without waiting 30 minutes to hear a 3 minute song, the uneducated computer user who will never figure out how to use all these tools when all they want to listen to is some great music. They know how to click to download. How to double click and listen to the song. Thats what they want. When we want our wonderful losslesss stuff it will be right there next to it.

The people who want the flac/shn will always have them here. The people who download the mp3s always have the choice later to upgrade to the flac/shn.

Have you taking a look at the Moving Images archive?

Stream
DSL: Real QT
Modem: Real QT

Download
DivX (3.5M)
MPEG2 (26.7M)
MPEG1 (10.2M)
MPEG4 (2.5M)

Editable
MPEG4 (17.6M)

LOOK AT THAT - 9 different formats! All "standard" formats. We are not the "standard" format. We are a tiny slice of the pie that has done an incredible job of standardizing our methods. We aren't changing anything. Mp3's would just allow more fans to "share the groove". And it's not like every show would be mp3's. It can be set at the band level, the taper level or the show level. If the band wants mp3s availble to their fans from your 24 bit/96 khz recordings you will give it to them. The band let YOU record THEIR shows. If they only want you uploading .wavs its the bands choice. Not the tapers.

Why the hell do you care what format someone else plays anyway? I know I have my aiff/wav/flac/shn. I don't care what anyone else wants. I can't stop them from listening to what they want. If they think mp3's sound great, good for them. I don't want to listen to the crap but if they do why not just let them.

This post was modified by hamilton on 2003-10-21 06:37:00

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Oct 20, 2003 10:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

The end users are still making mp3's of your shows and they are not "polluting the trading community". What bullshit is that? Mp3 are not accepted in the trading community. So how can it be polluted when no one is accepting them? That just makes no sense.

You are assuming that people who trade mp3 shows will inform others of the deteriorated lineage of the show. THEY DON'T. That's how the pool gets polluted. People don't KNOW that they are getting mp3 shows, since in most cases they don't have a lossless version of that show to compare it to. The way it is now, it actually takes more effort to trade an mp3 version of a show than a shn/flac version because you have to download the shn/flac files, convert it to mp3, and then rip it to cd. If you make it extremely easy for people to download a version already in mp3, some people are going to do this and trade it because it's easy and they are lazy or uninformed.

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Poster: cpclark Date: Oct 20, 2003 4:31pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

cabbage-your totally missing the point here, we dont want our shows encoded to mp3 and available for download from this website, did you catch that, we dont want you spreading mp3's to people, i cant express what i feel here, a loss of words, i want all my shows that i have uploaded taken off of the archive and for the band question, bands dont want inferior shows circulating, it gives the band a bad image and the taper, and i for one want no part in these mp3's being introduced on the archive

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Poster: nmculbreth Date: Oct 20, 2003 5:28pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

i think you are missing the point that many of us feel mp3 has no business on this archive and don't want OUR tapes converted into a lossy format. i really don't care why the admins think it's a good idea to offer mp3 downloads as well as shns and flacs - i don't want MY tapes circulated in mp3 and if the achive follows through w/ their plan i want my tapes removed and i'll make sure nothing else i tape ends up here.

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Poster: Chase Banna Date: Oct 20, 2003 11:38pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

as a fellow taper and long time seeder to the archive, i will join in the alliance to have all my sources removed. to me, if you are too lazy or stupid to understand how to obtain a show via FTP, B&P, trade, etc. tough [s*]. there are soooooo many resources to get good high quality shows and so many FAQ's and good traders out there willing to hook people up. mp3's have a place and a purpose but not in this realm. a site that has this kind of bandwith will deteriorate what we have put countless hours and money into to retain a (mostly) lossless trading pool.

Chase
taperssection.com

This post was modified by hamilton on 2003-10-21 06:38:40

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Poster: mst934 Date: Oct 20, 2003 3:38pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

This will be my last post on this subject. But I just want to clear something up as well. If MP3's are going to be the new norm here, I'm also requesting that all I have uploaded be removed.

Thanks,

Mark Terry
taperssection.com

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Poster: ericdevin Date: Oct 20, 2003 3:50pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: mp3's of shows in the archive

Yeah, same here. I've got a bunch ( > 20) Soulive shows that I've yet to UL, even more Robert Randolph. Some are pretty rare, and I DO want to share, but NO NO NONONONONONONONO mp3s of entire shows. That's fine for nugs.net and gdlive.com ans well as any other sites that host mp3 content, but do not let mp3s come onto here, please. I started DLing mp3s back in 2000, but then I found out about lossless, and I was hooked. The easy option is not the point. I will DL and BnP any show on this thing if someone wants it easier, I just really don't want to see all of the uploaders (and tapers of course, where would be without you) hard work go to waste. This will be the BIGGEST mistake ever. Don't! I feel very strongly about this, and I can see all of you guys do, too. But, please, don't use foul, and (in many cases) homophobic language insults, etc., etc. Whatever happened to the notion of "kind" heads? Man! That's my opinion. Everybody have a good night, and listen to Bill Frisell!

Peace
Eric